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sdev71
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posted April 27, 2003 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sdev71   Click Here to Email sdev71        Reply w/Quote
Does anyone have info on Robin's solo series. How long did it run? Were they really solo adventures or was Batman in them as well? Has it ever been considered for an archive edition?

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John Moores 3
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posted April 27, 2003 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Moores 3        Reply w/Quote
The answers:

From #65 to #130, IIRC.
Batman appeared sometimes, but rarely.
Robin had his own rogues - like 50/50, the Clock and No-Face.
I would freakin' LOVE an archive of this stuff, but the official word is apparently "not yet!". It's the blind spot of Golden Age Batman, with lovely art [Jim Mooney?] and nice, short stories.

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John Moores 3
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posted April 27, 2003 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Moores 3        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by John Moores 3:

Robin had his own rogues - like 50/50, the Clock and No-Face.


I forgot Crazy Quilt. Duh!

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posted April 27, 2003 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GSchienke        Reply w/Quote
I'd like these, too. What's not to like from adventures againsty Crazy Quilt to Jim Mooney art? If Johnny Storm's adventures from Strange Tales rate an Essentials volumes, Robin's should rate a color TPB if not an Archive.

Greg

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posted April 27, 2003 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DaBubba   Click Here to Email DaBubba        Reply w/Quote
This is one of my Top 5 archives, with SA Superboy, GA Sandman, and Scribbly & the Red Tornado. Okay, Top 4, but you get my drift.

I think I've only seen one of these stories reprinted before. There was one Robin solo story in the Batman From the 30's to the 70's hardcover, and I think that's it.

I would love this, DC!!!

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kid colt
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posted April 27, 2003 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid colt   Click Here to Email kid colt        Reply w/Quote
I just picked up World's Finest #190, and it has a reprint of the Robin story from Star Spangled #125.

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Not My Real Name
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posted April 27, 2003 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Not My Real Name   Click Here to Email Not My Real Name        Reply w/Quote
The Greatest Batman Stories Ever Told has "Operation: Escape," a Robin story from Star Spangled Comics #124, that I remember reading as a reprint in the early 70s.

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Corrosive Kid
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posted April 28, 2003 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Corrosive Kid        Reply w/Quote
Some old issues of Brave and the Bold have Robin reprint backups in them.

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OldGuy
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posted April 28, 2003 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OldGuy        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by John Moores 3:
The answers:
From #65 to #130, IIRC.
Batman appeared sometimes, but rarely.

I believe that for about a year or so in the middle of the run, Batman appeared almost every issue and had a much larger role than in earlier or later stories.

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sdev71
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posted April 30, 2003 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sdev71   Click Here to Email sdev71        Reply w/Quote
Just want to say thanks for all the info.

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Two Face 22
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posted May 04, 2003 05:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Two Face 22        Reply w/Quote
Just to let people know, I posted a few SSC story titles on the Robin forum.
I'd provide a link but my browser won't let me, like it won't let me copy and paste the info here.
Due to the relative inactivity of that board, and the fact that I've only just posted the info there (before seeing this thread), it should be on the front page of the board for a few days.
Please check it out if you want!

And can anyone help me fill in the blanks?

PS Put me down for an Archives too!!

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Two Face 22
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posted May 04, 2003 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Two Face 22        Reply w/Quote
Alternatively, could anyone do me a favour and either copy and paste the info here, or provide a link.
(My browser won't tell me the address of pages I'm currenty on, so I've no way of knowing what the address of that particular page is)

Many thanks!!

PS The thread is titled similar, if not the same as, this one.

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Unknown Question
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posted May 04, 2003 07:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unknown Question        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Two Face 22:
As far as I'm aware they ran from #65 (02/47) to #130 (07/52).
They were solo stories, but Batman may have appeared in some of them briefley.

The SSC Robin issues seem to be an area that few people know much about.
I think a lot of that stems from the fact that most of them have never been reprinted, and that no descriptions appear in the Fleisher Batman Encyclopedia, like other Bat stories do.

Infomation I do know is as follows:

#86 'The Barton Brothers'
#87 'The Sinister Baron' (12/48)
#88 'The Man Batman Refused To Help'
#89 'The Batman's Utility Belt'
#90 'The Mystery Of Rancho Fear'
#91 'A Birthday For Batman'
#92 'Movie Hero #1'
#93 'The Riddle Of The Sphinx'
#94 'The End Of Batman'
#95 'The Man With The Midas Touch'
#96 'The Boy Who Could Invent Miracles'
#97 ?
#98 'Robin's Rival'
#110 'The Four O'Clock Crimes'
#111 'Dick Grayson, Detective'
#112 'THe Plainclothes Robin'
#13 ?
#114 'Robin, Boy Acrobat'
#115 'The Feats Of Reckless Reed'
#116 ?
#117 'Robin, Cadet Wonder'
#120 'The Belllboy Wonder'
#123 'Crazy Quilt Comes Back'
#124 'Operation: Escape'
#125 'Murder On The Chessboard'
#126 'Death In The Hall Of Trophies'
#127 'The Game Of Death'
#128 'The Man Called 50-50'
#129 ?
#130 'Stone-Deaf Robin'

Additionally, I know that the following villains appeared in these issues:

#66 No Face
#70 The Clock
#76 The Fence
#87 Sinister Knight
#128 50-50

I have reprinted copies of #'s 124 and 126, the former being reprinted, I think, in The Greatest Batman Stories Ever Told Vol 1, and the latter preinted in an old British Batman Annual (1975, 1976 ?).

Hope this helps somewhat.
If you need any more info, perhaps the Vets on the DC Archives board can help more.

As for an Archive Edition , I'd love one, but sadly I don't think we'll ever get one - apparantly most of the stories weren't that great and demand isn't considered high.

All the best.


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Two Face 22
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posted May 04, 2003 07:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Two Face 22        Reply w/Quote
Many thanks!

So can anyone help with the missing story titles?

i.e.

#65 - #85
#97
#99 - #109
#113
#116
#118
#119
#121
#122
#129

All the best

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John Moores 3
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posted May 04, 2003 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Moores 3        Reply w/Quote
I have some:

#67: "The Castle of Doom!"
#69: "The Stolen Atom Bomb!"
#71: "Perils of the Stone Age!"
#72: "Robin Crusoe!"
#75: "The State vs. Robin!"
#77: "The Boy Who Wanted Robin For Christmas!"
#78: "Rajah Robin!"
#79: "The Tick Tock Crimes!"
#80: "The Boy Disc Jockey!"
#81: "The Seeing-Eye Dog Crimes!"
#82: "The Boy Who Hated Robin!"
#83: "Who Is Mr. Mystery!"
#84: "How Can We Fight Juveline Delinquency?" [This may not actually be the title.]
#85: "Peril At the Pole!"

#70, #74 and #79 are all Clock stories.
#76 pits the Boy Wonder against the Fence.

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John Moores 3
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posted May 04, 2003 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Moores 3        Reply w/Quote
Unknown Question, that British Batman Annual was the 1980 one- the first one I ever got. The Batmobile turns into an oil truck..brilliant!

The Crazy Quilt story and Dick Grayson: Detective were both reprinted in '75, in the DETECTIVE 100 Page Giants.

I'm afraid I'm gonna have to dis Fleisher for not including the Robin, Alfred, Lois and Jimmy stories from his encyclopaediae - I mean, what was the point of indexing every story in three magazines if you're gonna omit stories which are just as valid?

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Steven Utley
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posted May 04, 2003 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steven Utley        Reply w/Quote
Batman being DC's 800-pound gorilla, I think we'll eventually get THE ROBIN ARCHIVES.

Incidentally, The Boy Wonder also took on DC's first non-JSA "crossover" villain, Crazy Quilt, whose career had begun in (and slightly outlasted) BOY COMMANDOS.

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Two Face 22
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posted May 04, 2003 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Two Face 22        Reply w/Quote
Thanks for all the info guys - that's great!!

Regarding the Fleisher guides and SSC Robin stories, it does seem very strange.
My three thoughts on why he might not have included them are as follows:

1) It's possibe that he thought he may have at some time had to do an udate of the volume.
This would have involved listing not only the 40's and 50's stories but also the later 60's and 70's solo stories.
This would have led to listing other 'Bat' back-ups such as Batgirl etc.
Not only may this have been confusing, he may have also felt that these would have fit in another volume with other heroes who had short stories.
IIRC the project was meant to carry on for longer than three volumes.

2) Another possibility may have been the format of the book restricted him to include these stories. The book centres around Batman, and as he mentions in his introduction, if you are to read the Batman entry and look up every cross-reference in the book, you'll eventually read every entry.
This means that, in the Robin solo stories, there would be no direct connection to Batman and therefore these entries wouldn't be in the same format as the rest of the book.
This, I think is quite a logical theory for exclusion. However, I don't think it would have harmed to have tied stories to either Batman or Robin.

3) Possibly the most likely reason they weren't included was that DC may have not got all the stories in there archive at that time.
SSC was probably never held in as high an esteem as Detective, Batman and WF.
When DC was buying collections (as I think they have done over the years), SSC was probably not that high on their list of 'must have' comics.
I think Fleisher borrowed issues from collectors too, and it's possible that these collectors may not have had these, for want of a better phrase, 'less sought after' comics.
Consequently, if Fleisher had identified that they may have gaps due to the inavailability of issues, he probably felt justified to leave these issues out .

Well those are my theories.
Sorry to drone on - this particular bugbear has bothered me for a while as I have wanted to know more about these stories for years.
In my hunger to understand why they were omitted, I have given this (far too much) thought!

Perhaps we should to try to compile brief synopses of these issues to compensate for Mr Fleisher's omissions.
Anyone think that's a good idea?

(As a side note, I feel a little bit bad complaining about the omission, considering the excellent work Fleisher did do on this volume).

Still looking for the Superman and Wonder Woman volumes at a reasonable price.

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posted May 04, 2003 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kdu   Click Here to Email kdu        Reply w/Quote
We would never get a story called "The Boy Who Wanted Robin For Christmas" these days .
I'd like a Robin Archives also.

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James Friel
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posted May 04, 2003 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
My impression of DC's holdings in Golden Age comics is not that they've built it up over the years, but rather that what was once a full set of (possibly multiple) file copies has been depleted by, ah, shrinkage. I've never heard of them buying anything.

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Two Face 22
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posted May 04, 2003 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Two Face 22        Reply w/Quote
I may have misheard, James and they haven't bought collections.
I remember hearing that, because during the Golden Age no one expected comics to be worth anything in future years, copies weren't always saved for posterity.
I'd always thought that, during that period, it may have been that DC didn't bother saving but instead made sure most copies were on the on the shelves ready for sale.
I'd also always imagined that any remaining 'saved' copies of certain comics may have been lost due to office moves, reorganisation etc.
I suppose though that if remaining copies of some copies were lost to 'shrinkage', presumably DC may want to buy replacements from collectors, especially in this day and age with the current archive program.

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posted May 04, 2003 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Drumore01        Reply w/Quote
I'm pretty sure there wasnt a SSC story in Batman 30s-70s.

CRAZY QUILT STRIKES BACK (SSC #123) was reprinted in Batman #255.
Batman Family #10 had a couple of "Robin-centrique" reprinted stories, but I dont believe either were from SSC.

If all stories were 8 pages, these could be done in 2 Super-Sized Volumes of 272 pages each.

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Steven Utley
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posted May 04, 2003 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steven Utley        Reply w/Quote
Bob Wayne told me years ago that DC's collection of file copies of comic books had been "looted."

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Craig Delich
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posted May 05, 2003 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Craig Delich   Click Here to Email Craig Delich        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by James Friel:
My impression of DC's holdings in Golden Age comics is not that they've built it up over the years, but rather that what was once a full set of (possibly multiple) file copies has been depleted by, ah, shrinkage. I've never heard of them buying anything.

Way back when DC started doing the Detective Comics Archives, a person from DC contacted me about low-grade copies of some Detetctive issues that I may have for sale, or if I knew someone who did have particular issues. So, YES, they did buy some!

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posted May 05, 2003 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Craig Delich   Click Here to Email Craig Delich        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by OldGuy:
I believe that for about a year or so in the middle of the run, Batman appeared almost every issue and had a much larger role than in earlier or later stories.

Batman, in issues in the 80's and 90's of Star-Spangled, played a major role in the stories.
Issue #95 was one of my favorites, since IT was the story where Batman wore his gold bat costume.

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